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January 3, 2020December 28, 2019

Appropriate Medical Care “PASS” – 607

Bart Peterson and Larry Cooper join John Ciecko to discuss how we can ALL strive for Appropriate Medical care in our settings.

One way the NATA is working to improve the practice of secondary school athletic trainers is through a new online tool launched in 2019 called PASS (Some features require NATA login credentials).

Today on the podcast John talks with Bart and Larry about the online tool they helped create through an entire year of data collection, research and collaboration.

What is PASS?

PASS is an online tool available to secondary school athletic trainers that are NATA members. The tool takes the AT through 12 standards with narratives and annotations that can help ensure that can help elevate the care at a secondary school and ensure that you are practicing at the highest level.

Who should use PASS and how should it be used?

Bart and Larry encourage all secondary school AT’s to login and process through the PASS system. Their goal is for at least 20% of all HS AT’s participating in PASS so that they can then pull of data of each state and assess where each state is meeting the standard and what needs improvement.

They recommend that an AT take approx 1 month to go through each standard and at the end of the year (12 standards) each secondary school will have a comprehensive collection of their policies, procedures, EAP’s and other administrative information.

How can an AT use PASS to move towards appropriate medical care?

The standards provided in PASS will ensure the AT is practicing at the highest level of care. Each standard includes evidence and case law for compliance.

The standards are also a great tool to present to stakeholders within your school to encourage change. For example, there is a standard of clean and safe facilities. If you as an AT are struggling to get your AT room and equipment cleaned properly, this standard can be taken to a stakeholder in the district and will help them understand the need for and importance of clean facilities.

The PASS system is also a great way to transition between AT’s in your school. All EAP’s, policies, etc are stored on the PASS sight for the next AT at that high school.

We are already a NATA Safe School. Should I still do PASS?

Bart and Larry encourage even Safe School Award winners to process through PASS. “If they have already been awarded the Safe School Award, they have probably already completed 70-80% of PASS.

Bart’s dream is to have Safe Schools and PASS connect so that AT’s are not only participating in PASS but also apply for the Safe Schools Award.

What is the end product of PASS?

Elevated care within the secondary setting and moving from a model where a non-medical professional evaluates the AT to a medical model where the health care team works together to not only evaluate the AT but also to evaluate all the policies and procedures with the high school.

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Send us your specific questions to AppropriateMedicalCare@sportsmedicinebroadcast.com so we can respond individually or address it publicly if needed.

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January 1, 2020December 23, 2019

Communicate to Grow – 606

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How do you prefer to communicate? Does that style match the people you are working with?

Can you grow in your communication, make improvements, be more clear?

communicate, todd sabol, growth, understanding, Larry Cooper, Cari Wood

I struggle to communicate

I like to keep to myself, do my thing and not bother you unless I need something. Usually, when I do I am pretty cut and dry. I do not like to pretend to be interested or make small talk. However, this often appears I am only talking to you if I need something, and have no interest in you or your day, life, struggles, and joys.

Podcasting has helped me learn.

Marriage has helped me learn.

Conflict has helped me learn to communicate.

How can you grow?

Larry Cooper, Communicate, Rob Huggins, John Ciecko

Larry Cooper is a returning podcast guest and an old school AT (he is already retired). He joins Cari Wood and Todd Sabol as we find common ground between the new AT and the old.

Communicate; Cari Wood; Larry Cooper; Todd Sabol

Cari and Larry came up with a list of topics based on the most common complaints they see on AT social media.

Top 10 Communicate to Grow areas

1. Coaches (last min changes, late-night texts/calls, don't send athletes to you)

2. Parents (ER trips for no reason, don't trust you, come on the field when kid hurt)

3. Officials (Don't appreciate your safety concerns, flirt/demeaning, powertrips)

4. Athletes (Exaggerate everything, get info wrong or don't do it, don't show up)

5. Spectators (interject advice, stand in front of you, don't know what we do)

6. School Staff (take supplies, send you PE kids, let kids in AT room, unlocked)

7. Athletic Director (doesn't back you, no communication, low budget)

8. Colleagues (no communication, unprofessional on social media, don't help your kids at games)

9. Teams/Sports (SB-cheers from the dugout, Track – shin splints, Cheer – drama, etc)

10. Social Media (people who disclose too much, extreme responses that the commenter would never actually do, negativity toward the profession, etc)

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December 27, 2019December 23, 2019

Social Media Etiquette – 605

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Dinner etiquette means starting with the outside and working your way in with the silverware. Social Media Etiquette is an everchanging environment but certain truths hold solid.

Is Social Media important for the Sports Medicine Professional?

YES! – there is so much to learn. Find a good knowledge stream on twitter or facebook and you will be completely filled. It can be a source of customers and advocacy as well as connection and mentoring.

CAUTION!!! – Social media can also become a breeding ground for decay if you choose to follow and engage with “dead fruit.”

Do these things

Know your WHY
Start with ONE
Know your LIMITS
be YOURSELF
Remember there are real people reading these
CHECK your spelling and grammar
PROTECT patient privacy

Don't do these things

Use foul/inappropriate language
Use inappropriate pictures
Share pictures of videos with ANY injury details
Think “permission to post” clears you legally
Forget there are real people on the receiving end
Be too serious
Forget your WHY

Tips and Tricks

Be a sponge first
- If you are new to Social Media start with one platform and be a creeper for a little while. Read posts, watch others and see what is normal for that platform.
Use different apps for different accounts
- TweetDeck for Personal and Twitter app for Bussiness or
- Hoot suite for all personal accounts and native apps for professional
Tools to check that spelling
- Grammarly – checks spelling and grammar
- PhraseExpress – allows me to type “SMB” and it automatically gets expanded to “Sports Medicine Broadcast”
- TextExpander is another option

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December 20, 2019December 23, 2019

Polos and Khakis Live – 604

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What would cause two young MAT students to start a podcast called Polos and Khakis?

Today on the SMB live from NATA 2019 Mike Hopper got a chance to ask Dan and Lizzy, co-founders of Polos and Khakis that and several other questions.

Lizzy says that the podcast started selfishly. They were preparing for an exam from Dr. Rebecca Lopez at USF and she hadn’t studied enough. She searched to find a podcast on the topic they were being tested on and she couldn’t find one. Because they saw a need, they decided to create one.

What topics do they cover on Polos and Khakis?

Dan says they cover a lot of topics during their tenure. Heat illness, concussion, spinal injuries and management, nutrition and ACL injuries are just a few. They try to cover topics that can help AT’s refresh on their knowledge of situations and emergencies they may face and want to provide exposure to their listeners of the many directions AT’s can go.

What’s coming up on the podcast?

Recently, Dan and Lizzy sat down with staff from Maryland to talk about the Jordan McNair tragedy and what we can learn from it and how we as AT’s move on from tragedy.

ATs Care is a phenomenal service to help ATs process catastrophic loss and injury.

Future episodes include physicians and how best to build relationships with them and the Cirque Du Soleil AT’s.

What does the future hold for Polos and Khakis?

Dan and Lizzy hope to continue the podcast. They want to be advocates for the profession and remind AT’s that they need to eat. They don’t know where they will end up after graduation but with technology and their mentor Jeremy, who they are very grateful for, they hope to continue even if they are in different parts of the country.

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December 18, 2019December 23, 2019

Monitoring Mental Health – 603

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What are you doing to Monitor Mental Health? Do you have an easily replicable process? Care to share that with lots of ATs and SMB fans?

Monitoring Mental Health, Car Wood, Todd Sabol, Mental Health Survey

Cari Wood joins Todd Sabol and host, Jeremy Jackson, to discuss what this looks like in various AT setting and how you can easily maintain this process.

How is Cari Monitoring Mental Health?

This started with a tragic story of losing an athlete. A 3-sport player that committed suicide without anyone noticing signs or symptoms of something being off.

Cari's late athletes family provided funding for the “Your Life Matters Video”

After this Cari knew something had to be done to help identify mental health struggles.

What steps is Cari taking:

Every other year during Impact and Sway baseline testing Cari speaks to each team about the Monitoring Wellness survey. She does not tell them it is “Monitoring Mental Health”

Small groups work best
Tell them “this is important to me”
“I want to know how you are doing”
“I am the only one who sees the responses”
Use the Remind App to send out the google form
- Have the QR code ready for baseline testing day
- Schedule the survey to come out each week to automate the process
Sunday evenings have given her the best response rate

Who is Cari Wood?

Cari Wood graduated from Eastern Washington University in 1993 with a Bachelor of Science in Sports Medicine and a Bachelor of Arts in Education-Physical Education/Health.
She returned to her home state of Oregon to work as the first Athletic Trainer at Redmond High School in 1994.
She built an athletic training program from scratch and has remained in Redmond ever since.
Cari served on the NATA Board of Directors from 2012-17 and was President/Director of District 10 concurrently.
She served District 10 as the Secretary and was the President of Oregon Athletic Trainers' Society.
She has had multiple NATA, NWATA, and OATS committee assignments over the years.
Currently, Cari is the chair of the NATA Specialty Awards Committee.
Cari was a recipient of the NATA Outstanding Service Award, is an OATS Hall of Fame member.
The first woman inducted into the NWATA Hall of Fame in 2017.
She is married to Jon and is incredibly proud of their two children, Bradi (20)and Riley (18).

How have the surveys helped?

Cari helped a soccer coach change the atmosphere of the team by identifying where multiple athletes were reporting negative feelings towards the team. The coach was able to build in more fun and team building activities based on the survey results.

One kid answered all “0”s but did not leave a comment. Cari sought out the athlete but he was absent. The coach contacted him to find out he had been kicked out of his house and having serious family issues. they were able to step in and support him during a very tough spot in his life.

How can you implement these into your system?

Ask your IT people to help you set this up for your setting
Discuss with your campus admin
Test it out in small groups first
Share your story

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Need a copy of the form?

Here is the sample form that you can copy to your drive:

There will be a button next to the title that will allow you to save it to your drive

Then select File -> Make a copy

Now set up the spreadsheet:

Monitoring Mental Health, Spreadsheet, instructions, Cari Wood

Cari's instructions to set up a Monitoring Mental Health survey

Google Survey Spreadsheet Directions Download

Have your own form to share?

Other resources for Monitoring Mental Health

Youtube video instructions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3o4Y46leqM&t=518s

NATA SSATC – Wellness survey info https://www.nata.org/sites/default/files/wellness_screening_guidelines_for_secondary_school_ats.pdf

NATA mental health EAP https://www.nata.org/sites/default/files/mental_health_eap_guidelines.pdf

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December 13, 2019December 23, 2019

Relative Energy Deficiency – 602

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Christina Curry-King joins Ray Olivo to discuss her presentation on Identification & Implication of Relative Energy Deficiency in Sport (RED-S) at the Memorial Hermann Sports Medicine Update.

Relative energy Deficiency, Christina Curry king

Baseline tools to ID REDs

Relative energy deficiency in sport (RED-S) is a syndrome in which disordered eating (or low energy availability), amenorrhoea/oligomenorrhoea, and decreased bone mineral density (osteoporosis and osteopenia) are present.
–wikipedia

Questionnaires – leafq is a lengthy 50 – 75 questions

Melinetal2014LEAF Download

BEDA9 – is a shorter 9 question survey and a great place to get started.

Martinsen 2014 BEDA-q dvelopement Download

What do you do after Identifying those at risk?

Sit down and get a 24-hour recall of what they are doing and eating.
– Could be inadvertent due to scheduling
– Or people who are struggling do to eliminating certain foods.

What about the subjective portion of the evaluation?

Athletes struggling with relative energy deficiency may report still being tired ad lethargic.

Try these things:

getting some good nutrient-rich food in around those training times
Ask about sleep
probe deeper
- Are you fearful of certain foods?
- Was it from reading an article
- Weight gain
- Hesitant to eat before or after the event
- Not being able to perform
- Bad experience with certain food

Recommendations for AT involvement with cafeteria

Something is better than nothing

Add color
Bring some fruit and veggies from home
Pre-activity quick snack
Some sort of granola bar
Or banana
Applesauce
Shelf-stable and portable
Even juice like apple or orange on the way out the door

What about the fast-food budget family

Is there a grilled option or fruit and yogurt option?

Thoughts on supplementation?

You will get more bang for your buck by buying real food…you will get more energy in food then you will ever get in a supplement

Certain supplements have a place if the other standards are met first.

Sleep calculations –

Hands down top recovery tool

8-9 hours per night sleep minimum is critical for injury prevention.

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December 6, 2019December 5, 2019

David Gallegos discusses COPA – 601

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What is COPA?

Have you ever asked yourself what COPA stands for and what purpose they serve the membership of the NATA?

Today on the podcast David Gallegos from District 7 and the current director of COPA or the Committee on Practice Advancement joins Alisha M Pennington live from the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge.

Why is COPA a committee and not a council?

At its formation, they took into consideration what the membership was asking for and what they needed. They realized that there was a variety of emerging settings within athletic training and they wanted to have a broader perspective and more voices.

To meet that need COPA consists of 10 committees that each has 3 members and 1 chair (8 practice-based committees, 1 analytics and outcome, and 1 public health) and these committees represent the future of practice advancement.

What need does COPA address?

David believes that representation matters. We give a voice to the variety of emerging settings in Athletic Training and offers members resources to help them investigate these emerging settings and connect with other professionals in these settings.

Since June 2018 they have been tracking their progress and have seen improvements.

What is the triple aim of health care and how can data and analytics benefit athletic training?

The triple aim of health care is the simultaneous pursuit of:

Improving the patient experience of care
Improving the health of populations while
Reducing per capita cost in health care

The sub-committee on Data and Analytics has been able to use data from Bobby Lee a health care economist to help show how athletic trainers in a variety of settings can improve the triple aim of health care. Bobby Lee’s data showed that an AT in a secondary school reduced the costs of Medicare/Medicaid by 10-12%.

What Does David think will be the leading job settings in the future of athletic training?

COPA settings allow people to move back and forth between settings as an athletic trainer that match where they are in their life at that time.

How can you help COPA and the NATA?

Realize that COPA is part of the NATA. Speak up if there is a setting you want to investigate or be a part of the committee. Get involved and be the change you wish to see

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December 4, 2019November 18, 2019

Pregnancy in Athletic Training – 600

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Pregnancy is difficult. Athletic Training is demanding. Pregnancy in Athletic Training can be demandingly difficulty.

Dawn Stuckey had twins while working as an AT for Rice University Soccer. She joins the podcast to discuss some of her stories to empower and encourage other ATs.

Kate Miller has expertise in prenatal and postpartum health and fitness and has written continuing education courses on the subject.

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What are the struggles of Pregnancy in Athletic Training?

Dawn and Kate agree that asking others for help with things that you normally can do by yourself is one of the biggest challenges facing ATs while pregnant.

Kate, a 15-year fitness professional veteran and triathlete, was bed-ridden for a few weeks dealing with extreme vomiting. Not being able to push through is hard.

What modifications did you have to make?

Listen to your body
Get compression socks
Comfortable shoes
Maternity clothes that make you feel good
Belly Band or similar to support you
Get a chair for practices
Sit in the press box with AC during outdoor events
Always carry a water bottle with you
Have multiple snack options available
LISTEN TO YOUR BODY

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What about postpartum?

EVERYTHING changes. energy levels, hormones, sleep patterns, needs for communication… Everything changes so be willing to go with it.

Postpartum Depression is real – seeking help from a qualified professional is usually the best option, but reaching out to a trusted friend and mother is a great start.

Your body has likely just gone through nine months of being broken down. Plan to invest nine months in functional movements with minimal resistance to return your body to its new normal.

Just like an AT would go step by step through any other Return-To-Play with an athlete a new mom needs to do likewise.

Previous Pregnancy in Athletic Training podcasts

Check out this show with Alex Ager about FMLA and the AT – https://sportsmedicinebroadcast.com/fmla

This was an amazing episode dealing with postpartum depression and Christi Keeler: sportsmedicinebroadcast.com/Depression/

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November 29, 2019November 21, 2019

Dealing with Challenging Parents – 599

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Have Challenging Parents?

I am not talking about your in-laws being challenging parents. We are not even discussing the relationship you have with your own parents.

Challenging parents and family members of patients can ruin your day and cause some serious headaches for Athletic Trainers.

Charlotte Koenig works for Memorial Hermann in risk management and knows a few things about dealing with challenging patients and family members. Today on the podcast she gives us some great steps to follow when dealing with a challenging athlete, parent or coach and also helps us set and follow through with boundaries.

Are you someone who says, “I’m sorry,” often?

Charlotte believes that is a phrase that is empty and doesn’t have much substance She recommends changing the “I’m sorry,” to “I apologize.”

Use the 5-minute rule speaking with a challenging parent?

When Charlotte is engaged in a face to face or phone conversation with someone who is challenging she makes sure to wrap things up in about 5 minutes.

Active listening and repeating back to them what you think they are saying can diffuse situations.

One phrase she uses often is, “What I hear you saying is...”

When do you ditch email and talk to someone face to face?

“Compassion can’t come through text or email.” Every person can insert there own emotion when reading a text or email so Charlotte believes that it is always best to communicate verbally when you are dealing with someone who might be upset.

How do you de-escalate a situation that has gotten heightened?

“Don’t throw fuel to the fire,” when dealing with someone that is challenging. Remain calm, meet them where they are and see the whole person not just this incident.

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November 27, 2019November 18, 2019

Incontinence in Female Athletes – 598

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Dr. Sarah Duvall Joins the Sports Medicine Broadcast to discuss Incontinence in Female Athletes from her years of experience training medical professionals in assessing and treating incontinence.

What is incontinence?

An intimidating word… Dr. Sarah Duvall likes to use leakage instead of incontinence to help break down barriers.

Simply put it is leaking urine or feces, but most commonly it is urine.

What does incontinence look like in the young healthy female athlete?

1 in 4 or 25% or 4 of your 12 volleyball players likely experiences urinary leakage.

You as a health care provider may be able to help them perform better without concern of incontinence.

Dr. Duvall treated a 14-year-old runner who experienced leakage while competing in races.

What are some causes?

Pregnancy is a major contributor and multiple pregnancies increase the chance.

Today we discuss two main types:

Urge – Psychological urgent need to urinate that may be triggered by location or proximity to the bathroom.

Stress-related – emotional or physical stress. This may be due to stretched out bladder or lack of regular urination.

How can athletes figure out the source without seeing a healthcare provider?

Treatments for incontinence:

In normal healthy non-traumatized women retraining your bladder should take about 3 days.

What should ATs know?

With nearly 25% of your high school and college-age female athletes experiencing leakage, ATs need to be comfortable discussing the issue.

The more knowledge we have the better we can treat and refer our patients on to the next qualified provider.

If you are uncomfortable discussing the topic think about it like a shoulder or another body part that is less intimidating.

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