Category Archives: Podcast Lounge

Go4Ellis Update – 609

In another Go4Ellis update, founder Ellis Mair discusses some big news.

Ellis and her team were able to double not only the number of states using her online platform which connects Athletic Trainers to per diem work but also double the number of Athletic Trainers using the platform.

Always ready for a fun conversation, John Ciecko sits down with Ellis on the podcast live from NATA Las Vegas and discusses this accomplishment and many more.

Go4Ellis Update, ellis mair, John Ciecko, Las Vegas, NATA, Go 4 Ellis

Ellis states that attending 8 of the 10 NATA district conference meetings and reaching out to every state head explaining the background, goals, and mission of Go4Ellis has certainly helped grow the platform.  

She also explains working from the top to bottom approaching leadership first is critical to communicating the vision and educating. However, working from the bottom up and reaching out to AT’s in certain communities to build growth in each state was important too.

What exciting new partnerships are happening with Go4Ellis?

A new partnership with US Lacrosse began this year requiring a mandatory AT per every 3 fields at every US lacrosse event.  

A partnership with Players Health EMR allows AT working these lacrosse events to create injury reports. These injury reports are then able to collect data for epidemiology reports being researched by MedStar.  

What makes Go4Ellis beneficial to the athletic trainer and the profession of Athletic Training as a whole?

Athletic Trainers are able to work per diem to earn extra money when they are available or when they may be facing additional upcoming expenses. 

But by increasing the presence of Athletic Trainers’ at a variety of athletic events, including most recently a rise in Quidditch events, Go4Ellis helps increase exposure athletes have to Athletic Trainers’.

We also ontinue to educate National Governing Boards of a variety of youth sports on the importance and necessity of an AT at all of their events and give us as Athletic Trainers’ an opportunity at each per diem event to educate and advocate for our profession. 

Can you only make money by working an event?

No, through their 4werks.com referral system, AT’s can refer an organization or event to Go4Ellis for coverage and if the event runs that AT will receive a check for 125.00.

What are Ellis’ future goals for this next year?

Increase the number of operators of events, AT’s involved as both operator’s and per diem and partner with more NGB’s. 

Be actively working in all 50 states.

Renew partnerships with the NATA and become more involved in data collection on the field. 

Work the Players Health EMR into their app.  

Need more Go4Ellis info?

If you would like to contact Ellis Mair feel free to email her at Ellis@go4ellis.com  As you’ll hear during the podcast, she is really good about returning emails quickly.

Contact us:

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Appropriate Medical Care “PASS” – 607

Bart Peterson and Larry Cooper join John Ciecko to discuss how we can ALL strive for Appropriate Medical care in our settings.

One way the NATA is working to improve the practice of secondary school athletic trainers is through a new online tool launched in 2019 called PASS (Some features require NATA login credentials). 

Today on the podcast John talks with Bart and Larry about the online tool they helped create through an entire year of data collection, research and collaboration.

Appropriate Medical Care Best Practices

What is PASS?

PASS is an online tool available to secondary school athletic trainers that are NATA members.  The tool takes the AT through 12 standards with narratives and annotations that can help ensure that can help elevate the care at a secondary school and ensure that you are practicing at the highest level.

Who should use PASS and how should it be used?

Bart and Larry encourage all secondary school AT’s to login and process through the PASS system.  Their goal is for at least 20% of all HS AT’s participating in PASS so that they can then pull of data of each state and assess where each state is meeting the standard and what needs improvement.

They recommend that an AT take approx 1 month to go through each standard and at the end of the year (12 standards) each secondary school will have a comprehensive collection of their policies, procedures, EAP’s and other administrative information.

How can an AT use PASS to move towards appropriate medical care?

The standards provided in PASS will ensure the AT is practicing at the highest level of care.  Each standard includes evidence and case law for compliance.

The standards are also a great tool to present to stakeholders within your school to encourage change.  For example, there is a standard of clean and safe facilities. If you as an AT are struggling to get your AT room and equipment cleaned properly, this standard can be taken to a stakeholder in the district and will help them understand the need for and importance of clean facilities.

The PASS system is also a great way to transition between AT’s in your school.  All EAP’s, policies, etc are stored on the PASS sight for the next AT at that high school.

We are already a NATA Safe School.  Should I still do PASS?

Bart and Larry encourage even Safe School Award winners to process through PASS.  “If they have already been awarded the Safe School Award, they have probably already completed 70-80% of PASS.

Bart’s dream is to have Safe Schools and PASS connect so that AT’s are not only participating in PASS but also apply for the Safe Schools Award.

What is the end product of PASS?

Elevated care within the secondary setting and moving from a model where a non-medical professional evaluates the AT to a medical model where the health care team works together to not only evaluate the AT but also to evaluate all the policies and procedures with the high school.

Got Questions??

Send us your specific questions to AppropriateMedicalCare@sportsmedicinebroadcast.com so we can respond individually or address it publicly if needed.

Watch the LIVE interview on Facebook

Best Practices of Appropriate Medical Care in the Secondary Schools – Bart Peterson & Larry Cooper

Best Practices of Appropriate Medical Care in the Secondary Schools – Bart Peterson & Larry Cooper

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Wednesday, June 26, 2019

Contact us:

Bart Peterson – arizatc@cox.net

Larry Cooper – coopatc1@gmail.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Appropriate Medical Care, MioTech, John Ciecko, PASS, Bart Peterson, Larry Cooper

David Gallegos discusses COPA – 601

What is COPA?

Have you ever asked yourself what COPA stands for and what purpose they serve the membership of the NATA?

Today on the podcast David Gallegos from District 7 and the current director of COPA or the Committee on Practice Advancement joins Alisha M Pennington live from the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge.

David Gallegos discusses COPA

Why is COPA a committee and not a council?

At its formation, they took into consideration what the membership was asking for and what they needed.  They realized that there was a variety of emerging settings within athletic training and they wanted to have a broader perspective and more voices. 

To meet that need COPA consists of 10 committees that each has 3 members and 1 chair (8 practice-based committees, 1 analytics and outcome, and 1 public health) and these committees represent the future of practice advancement.

What need does COPA address?

David believes that representation matters.  We give a voice to the variety of emerging settings in Athletic Training and offers members resources to help them investigate these emerging settings and connect with other professionals in these settings. 

Since June 2018 they have been tracking their progress and have seen improvements.

What is the triple aim of health care and how can data and analytics benefit athletic training?

The triple aim of health care is the simultaneous pursuit of:

  • Improving the patient experience of care
  • Improving the health of populations while
  • Reducing per capita cost in health care

The sub-committee on Data and Analytics has been able to use data from Bobby Lee a health care economist to help show how athletic trainers in a variety of settings can improve the triple aim of health care.  Bobby Lee’s data showed that an AT in a secondary school reduced the costs of Medicare/Medicaid by 10-12%.  

What Does David think will be the leading job settings in the future of athletic training?

COPA settings allow people to move back and forth between settings as an athletic trainer that match where they are in their life at that time.  

How can you help COPA and the NATA?

Realize that COPA is part of the NATA.  Speak up if there is a setting you want to investigate or be a part of the committee.  Get involved and be the change you wish to see

Call to Action:

Tag us on social media posts so we can help you grow in an area you need.

COPA – David Gallegos

COPA – David Gallegos

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Contact us:

David Gallegos – d7director@rmata.org

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

COPA, Dragonfly Max, Frio Hydration

Sue Falsone talks Multidisciplinary Professional – 594

Are you a Barrier Breaker?

Today on the podcast we have Sue Falsone PT, MS, SCS, ATC, CSCS, COMT, owner of Structure and Function and author of, “Bridging the Gap From Rehab to Performance.”  Click on her name to learn more about her and her business.

Sue Falsone talks Multidisciplinary Professional; Alisha Pennington

Similar to Jackie Robinson?

Sue broke the barrier of women head athletic trainer’s in the major 4 professional sports in 2012 when she was hired by the LA Dodgers. 

But on today’s podcast, we focus less on being someone who breaks barriers and more about being really good at our craft, athletic training.

Are you as good as Sue Falsone?

Sue has many initials after her name and has spent time in a variety of settings including running a cash-based treatment business. 

During the episode, she shares why she believes being multidisciplinary is to her and the patients she treats advantage.

A one-liner take home from Sue Falsone

“There are plenty of jobs I didn’t get because I was a female.  I don’t choose to focus on that.”

Want to get started?

If you are a female AT business owner,  an AT interested in starting your own cash-based practice, or need to change what you are focusing on, this episode is the perfect listen.

Share your story with us on social media.

Sports Medicine Broadcast & TheBusinessAtvantage on IG

Multidisciplinary professional/ female business owner – Sue Falsone

Multidisciplinary professional/ female business owner – Sue Falsone

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Contact us:

Sue Falsone – sue@suefalsone.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

PhysicalTherapy.com; 1freecourse; continued; Sue Falsone

Challenging the Status Quo – 590

Kent Games Coaching is all about challenging the status quo. He was one of the youngest professors to be offered tenure. Kent was obtaining his dream job at his alma mater.

But that wasn't enough. He still felt empty.

Challenging the Status Quo

Dr. Kent Games began evaluating his life through these questions:

  • Did I LIVE?
  • Did I LOVE?
  • Did I MATTER?

Alisha is always growing and challenging the status quo

If you follow Alisha Pennington, owner of ATvantage, on social media she readily admits to her lack of confidence, her need for approval, her attempts to hide doubts and fears.

She has learned to embrace those doubts and fears and test them.

Live from NATA 2019

DragonflyMax hosted the podcast lounge again this year and we had a phenomenal team of hosts and workers to put on a fantastic show.

Kent and Alisha answer three big questions:

  • Why
  • How
  • What

Following the Simon Sinek book Start With Why and the follow up Find Your Why Kent and Alisha work through the foundation of what it takes to challenge the status quo.

Some bits of knowledge from the conversation:

Finding your why is as much about what it is is NOT as is it about what it IS

As professionals, we find there is not one cookie-cutter path, but as students, we are often lead to believe that A+B+C = D and that is how it should work.

The more you give your self permission to listen and explore that quiet whisper the louder your why will become. We are trained to tune it out and follow the leader.

Alisha kept pressing forward looking for that feeling of “I have arrived” but it was never there. She came to learn it is about the journey and not the destination.

Ther are many more helpful and insightful lessons form the podcast. listen to it as many times as you need to.

How are you CHALLENGING THE STATUS QUO?

Tweet us pictures of how you are challenging the status Quo #ChallengeStatusQuo to @MrJeremyJackson @MrsAMPennington @GamesKenneth

Mindset/ Self Care/ Challenging the Status Quo – Kenneth Games

Mindset/ Self Care/ Challenging the Status Quo – Kenneth Games

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Contact us:

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Third Party Billing – 581

What is Third Party Billing?

Third Party Billing means a patient comes in to see the AT and the AT sends the bill for payment to the insurance company. It does not mean you are working at a clinic and being paid hourly by the general fund, but you are billing for services as a PT or DC would.

Who is Joe Greene?

Started at the University of Wisconsin Hospital in 1991

Through various roles at the hospital, he was able to quickly move into an administrative role. Coupled with his state leadership roles, He was really able to look at Third Party Billing a make an impact.

2001 Implemented Autonomous Billing in Wisconsin

What is Orthovise?

The company Joe started to work with physicians and continue growing the autonomous billing aspect of Athletic Training.

2016 NATA issued an RFP pilot project to Joe Green and his team as the pioneer in 3rd party billing

What are the goals of the third party reimbursement project?

Ensure ATs receive reimbursement by insurance companies consistent with other allied healthcare providers. If a PT does manual therapy billed at $60/hour, then the AT acting within their scope doing the same task can be reimbursed at $60/hour.

Secure Consistent recognition of Athletic Trainers as allied health care professionals

What has the pilot study revealed?

  • When ATs bill according to the policy they are reimbursed at a consistent level
  • There are some gaps in analysis
  • Are AT as cost-effective?

What Education is going on with this?

Payor (consumer) and Employers (hospitals/physician) are both needing education

ATs need to be able to bill correctly using the correct codes

Third Party Billing

Third Party Billing Resources from Joe

Check out Orthovise.com for a growing list of resources but here are a few:

Third Party Billing – Joe Greene

Third Party Billing – Joe Greene

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Contact us:

Todd Sabol – todd@sportsmediscussion.com

Joe Greene – joegreene@orthovise.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

PhysicalTherapy.com; 1freecourse; continued

100K Side Job – Tim Neal – 578

100K Side Job

Have you ever had a 100K side Job?

If you say “I have a 100k Side Job” you are going to be hounded for followers or ridiculed by haters.

Tim Neal was killing it as an Athletic Trainer making upwards of 200K.

He joins us live a the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge in Las Vegas to share his story.

Have reservations about starting a business?

Tim watched his dad run a successful business and kinda always had the drive in him to create his own.

I recently started my own business in the Sports Medicine Broadcast. I have shared my story in episode 552.

I was always afraid to start a business as I have seen how much my dad struggles to own one. My conversation with Rob and Casey helped me to get started on the path, but Innovate really moved me to start

I met Tim Neal in a group for Athletic Trainers who are innovating the industry. If you are innovating or want to innovate, come join us at InnovateAT on facebook

Want to check out the live video:

$100,000 Side Job – Tim Neal

$100,000 Side Job – Tim Neal

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

More About Tim:

From a small town Texas – Greenville, Texas

Did not have an AT in high school, his first exposure was as Texas A&M Commerce

Started working contract work for a PT clinic

Figured out he was pretty good at assembling the coverage and care for large scale events.

Got fired for putting together a proposal to grow his employer's business.

He turned the firing into a job that he turned into a business that has turned into a dream.

Contact Us

Tim Neal – Tim.neal@kinetixfsm.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

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These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Functional Movement Techniques – 575

What is Functional Movement Techniques?

7 courses focused on a graduated or leveling style continuing education

Each course is 6 CEUs

Blades and blades advanced is their Instrument-assisted course

RockPods and RockFloss – similar to cupping and voodoo floss just with a slightly different focus

And their newest Movement Specialist Course

Basically – what is the current science and current myofascial science

Some of the highlights from the podcast:

“Don' let your SCHOOLING get in the way of your EDUCATION” – Mark Twain

Prepare the patient for the path because you can not prepare the path for the patient.

The BEST REHAB TOOL is the patient you are treating

We do not care about practitioners using RockTape. You can bring your own brand and we will still teach you the skills. Bring your other brand tools we do not care.

We might be teaching taping techniques, but that is really the centerpiece. We teach the functional anatomy and theory all wrapped in the taping course.

Where can you see what Functional Movement looks like?

Check out Mike Stella on Instagram

Check out RockTape

Mike Stella was also on the SMB on episode 562

Functional Movement Techniques

Where are we?

This episode was recorded live in Las Vegas at the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge.

We love to meet people at live events so if you see one of us then please stop us, chat, take a picture with us and post it on social media.

We would like to share your conference with the world through podcast so reach out and let's see what we can do together.

Functional Movement Techniques with Mike Stella, Mike McKenney, and Dr. Ethan Kreiswirth

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Wednesday, June 26, 2019

Contact us:

Mike Stella – mikestellamovement@gmail.com

Dr. Ethan Kreiswirth

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Funny Concussion Stories with Dr. Burkhart – 516

Want to hear a funny story? Dr. Burkhart has some for you.

Every AT has funny injury stories.  Rob is a walking story.  Dr. Scott Burkhart has tons of stories.  These two together had a great time telling funny concussion stories of patients they have seen.
Concussion Stories; Scott Burkhart; Rob McFarlin
Dr. Scott Burkhart sees about 500 concussion patients per month so he has some stories.
This session is a great listen just for the funny stories.

Do you have some Concussion Stories?

We would love to hear yours so hit me up on social media or email and we will plan to tell your story in a future episode.
We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports Medicine Broadcast

Thanks for hosting us the Sports Medicine Broadcast

Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist to help maximize performance and use the promo code “TheSMB”

Tell me your stories:

Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

SSAT: Where are we going? – 512

Where are we going in the SSATC?

Some of us feel left out, some of us feel unsupported.  So where is the NATA's SSATC leading us?
How are THEY supporting us?
When are THEY going to start looking out fur the SSATs?
Those are great questions for Bart and Jason.
SSATC; Bart Peterson; Jason Cates; Secondary Schools Athletic Trainers Committee;
Jason Cates and Bart Peterson provide leadership to the Secondary School Athletic Trainers Committee.  They join us hot off the SSAT learning lab to share their insight and where are headed. These are great ATs who are true advocates for the secondary setting.

How can you get one of these shirts?

Find me at one of the future NATA events and I will have them there.  I have randomly sent some out to people who are very active on social media promoting the Sports Medicine Broadcast.
Or join the email list and you will know where I will be giving them out.

Where did this conversation take place?

We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports Medicine Broadcast
Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.

Where can I get a product that helps me hydrate better than Gatorade?

Check out Hoist to help maximize performance

Need more info?

Contact Jason Cates

Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson