Category Archives: Podcast Lounge

Third Party Billing – 581

What is Third Party Billing?

Third Party Billing means a patient comes in to see the AT and the AT sends the bill for payment to the insurance company. It does not mean you are working at a clinic and being paid hourly by the general fund, but you are billing for services as a PT or DC would.

Who is Joe Greene?

Started at the University of Wisconsin Hospital in 1991

Through various roles at the hospital, he was able to quickly move into an administrative role. Coupled with his state leadership roles, He was really able to look at Third Party Billing a make an impact.

2001 Implemented Autonomous Billing in Wisconsin

What is Orthovise?

The company Joe started to work with physicians and continue growing the autonomous billing aspect of Athletic Training.

2016 NATA issued an RFP pilot project to Joe Green and his team as the pioneer in 3rd party billing

What are the goals of the third party reimbursement project?

Ensure ATs receive reimbursement by insurance companies consistent with other allied healthcare providers. If a PT does manual therapy billed at $60/hour, then the AT acting within their scope doing the same task can be reimbursed at $60/hour.

Secure Consistent recognition of Athletic Trainers as allied health care professionals

What has the pilot study revealed?

  • When ATs bill according to the policy they are reimbursed at a consistent level
  • There are some gaps in analysis
  • Are AT as cost-effective?

What Education is going on with this?

Payor (consumer) and Employers (hospitals/physician) are both needing education

ATs need to be able to bill correctly using the correct codes

Third Party Billing

Third Party Billing Resources from Joe

Check out Orthovise.com for a growing list of resources but here are a few:

Third Party Billing – Joe Greene

Third Party Billing – Joe Greene

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Contact us:

Todd Sabol – todd@sportsmediscussion.com

Joe Greene – joegreene@orthovise.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

PhysicalTherapy.com; 1freecourse; continued

100K Side Job – Tim Neal – 578

100K Side Job

Have you ever had a 100K side Job?

If you say “I have a 100k Side Job” you are going to be hounded for followers or ridiculed by haters.

Tim Neal was killing it as an Athletic Trainer making upwards of 200K.

He joins us live a the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge in Las Vegas to share his story.

Have reservations about starting a business?

Tim watched his dad run a successful business and kinda always had the drive in him to create his own.

I recently started my own business in the Sports Medicine Broadcast. I have shared my story in episode 552.

I was always afraid to start a business as I have seen how much my dad struggles to own one. My conversation with Rob and Casey helped me to get started on the path, but Innovate really moved me to start

I met Tim Neal in a group for Athletic Trainers who are innovating the industry. If you are innovating or want to innovate, come join us at InnovateAT on facebook

Want to check out the live video:

$100,000 Side Job – Tim Neal

$100,000 Side Job – Tim Neal

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

More About Tim:

From a small town Texas – Greenville, Texas

Did not have an AT in high school, his first exposure was as Texas A&M Commerce

Started working contract work for a PT clinic

Figured out he was pretty good at assembling the coverage and care for large scale events.

Got fired for putting together a proposal to grow his employer's business.

He turned the firing into a job that he turned into a business that has turned into a dream.

Contact Us

Tim Neal – Tim.neal@kinetixfsm.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

Sponsors for our Sports Medicine Broadcast Live Event


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Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products and the only brand I will professionally endorse

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Functional Movement Techniques – 575

What is Functional Movement Techniques?

7 courses focused on a graduated or leveling style continuing education

Each course is 6 CEUs

Blades and blades advanced is their Instrument-assisted course

RockPods and RockFloss – similar to cupping and voodoo floss just with a slightly different focus

And their newest Movement Specialist Course

Basically – what is the current science and current myofascial science

Some of the highlights from the podcast:

“Don' let your SCHOOLING get in the way of your EDUCATION” – Mark Twain

Prepare the patient for the path because you can not prepare the path for the patient.

The BEST REHAB TOOL is the patient you are treating

We do not care about practitioners using RockTape. You can bring your own brand and we will still teach you the skills. Bring your other brand tools we do not care.

We might be teaching taping techniques, but that is really the centerpiece. We teach the functional anatomy and theory all wrapped in the taping course.

Where can you see what Functional Movement looks like?

Check out Mike Stella on Instagram

Check out RockTape

Mike Stella was also on the SMB on episode 562

Functional Movement Techniques

Where are we?

This episode was recorded live in Las Vegas at the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge.

We love to meet people at live events so if you see one of us then please stop us, chat, take a picture with us and post it on social media.

We would like to share your conference with the world through podcast so reach out and let's see what we can do together.

Functional Movement Techniques with Mike Stella, Mike McKenney, and Dr. Ethan Kreiswirth

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Wednesday, June 26, 2019

Contact us:

Mike Stella – mikestellamovement@gmail.com

Dr. Ethan Kreiswirth

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

Funny Concussion Stories with Dr. Burkhart – 516

Want to hear a funny story? Dr. Burkhart has some for you.

Every AT has funny injury stories.  Rob is a walking story.  Dr. Scott Burkhart has tons of stories.  These two together had a great time telling funny concussion stories of patients they have seen.
Concussion Stories; Scott Burkhart; Rob McFarlin
Dr. Scott Burkhart sees about 500 concussion patients per month so he has some stories.
This session is a great listen just for the funny stories.

Do you have some Concussion Stories?

We would love to hear yours so hit me up on social media or email and we will plan to tell your story in a future episode.
We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports Medicine Broadcast

Thanks for hosting us the Sports Medicine Broadcast

Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist to help maximize performance and use the promo code “TheSMB”

Tell me your stories:

Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.

SSAT: Where are we going? – 512

Where are we going in the SSATC?

Some of us feel left out, some of us feel unsupported.  So where is the NATA's SSATC leading us?
How are THEY supporting us?
When are THEY going to start looking out fur the SSATs?
Those are great questions for Bart and Jason.
SSATC; Bart Peterson; Jason Cates; Secondary Schools Athletic Trainers Committee;
Jason Cates and Bart Peterson provide leadership to the Secondary School Athletic Trainers Committee.  They join us hot off the SSAT learning lab to share their insight and where are headed. These are great ATs who are true advocates for the secondary setting.

How can you get one of these shirts?

Find me at one of the future NATA events and I will have them there.  I have randomly sent some out to people who are very active on social media promoting the Sports Medicine Broadcast.
Or join the email list and you will know where I will be giving them out.

Where did this conversation take place?

We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports Medicine Broadcast
Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.

Where can I get a product that helps me hydrate better than Gatorade?

Check out Hoist to help maximize performance

Need more info?

Contact Jason Cates

Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

I have CTE with Joe DeLamiellure – 508

What is CTE?

CTE or Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy is something we can not diagnose in living patients at this time.  We can measure markers or indicators.

Joe D joins the podcast to share his story of living with the markers of CTE.  He shares some of his stories and experiences as he is learning to deal with the disease.

Joe DeLamielleure; Frio Hydrtion; CTE

Who is Joe DeLamiellure?

NFL Hall of Famer
13 season with the Buffalo Bills as an offensive lineman
Blocked for OJ Simpson
185 consecutive games
He also claims to never have missed a practice or game from junior high forward.

I normally give a way to contact the guest, but Joe said he does not even own a computer.

Where are we?

We are broadcasting live from the 2018 NATA expo in New Orleans.
We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports Medicine Broadcast

Who brought you these interviews?

Thanks DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist Water to help maximize performance

Contact Me

Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

Mobile Sports Medicine Units Update – 503

Mobile Sports Medicine units are becoming more popular and allow an Athletic Trainer to create a home base for Athletic Training care at remote locations.

Keith Shireman; Trailers

Keith talks Mobile Sports Medicine Units

What is in this episode?

Keith runs the Ironman races, I just ran a 5k.  So I quickly ask him about some tips for chaffing and gear for races.  Then we get into the Sports Medicine Trailer update.
He has had lots of questions since our first conversation and would love to help you get a trailer going for your teams.

Where can I find more?

Our first Mobile Sports Medicine Units episode is here: https://sportsmedicinebroadcast.com/trailers/

Where was the interview?

We are broadcasting live from the 2018 NATA expo in New Orleans.
We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports medicine Broadcast

Thanks for supporting the Sports Medicine Broadcast

Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist Water to help maximize hydration

Connect with me

Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

AT Family Life – Not all good – 500

Becky and Carson Berry join us in New Orleans

Becky and Carson Berry join us to discuss the family life and versus work life of Dr. Jim Berry.  Jim has made some huge improvements for ATs in the areas he is working.

What are the costs?

However, everything has a cost and Becky and Carson sometimes felt left out or forgotten when the seasons get real busy or Dad answers his work phone while at home during dinner.
They share some of the story here live from the 2018 NATA expo in New Orleans.

Jim Berry; Becky Berry; Carson Berry; AT family

Carson berry shares what it is like being the son of an AT

We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports medicine Broadcast
Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist Water to help maximize performance
Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

Injury Spotter with Jonathan Reidy – 498

How can we do better?  How can we improve the health care we are providing?

When Jonathan Reidy asked this question at his high school he started putting together a plan to mimic the NFL eye in the sky plan to have an injury spotter in the booth that can help identify injuries.

His program is probably similar to most high schools that have a full time athletic trainer.

They also have a team doc that has several medical students committed to being part of the game night treatment and care.

This might not work in all schools, but unless you try it out then you never know.

Podcast Lunge; NATA NOLA; 2018; Jeremy Jackson
We are broadcasting live from the 2018 NATA expo in New Orleans.
We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports medicine Broadcast
Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist Water to help maximize performance
Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson

Creating an LLC with Casey & Rob – 495

LLC; Paulk Sports Med; Frio Hydration; Casey Paul; Rob McFarlin

Creating an LLC as an AT

Are you interested in business?

Casey Paulk comes back to join the show and discuss his newly created LLC in Paulk Sports Medicine.
Robbie McFarlin is owner the CEO and of Frio Hydration LLC.
Business is not one of the athletic trainers are taught in school however, Casey jumped right in and started his company: Paulk Sports Med.
As a result he has some tax benefits and has begun building a business that may one day give him freedom to wok from home.

What is an LLC?

Limited Liability Company provides some benefits of a corporation with the agility of a small business.

Here is an Article on Legal Zoom with some more details

I am setting mine up through Innovate AT

Where are you?

This podcast is being broadcast live from the 2018 NATA expo in New Orleans.
We used Facebook live, YouTube Live, Instagram Live and even periscope to stream as many of the NATA 2018 Expo Interviews as possible.
YouTube Live videos: The Sports medicine Broadcast

The real MVPs are:

Thanks Frio Hydration and DragonFly MAX for your hospitality.
Check out Hoist Hydration to help maximize performance.

Contact us:

Contact Rob McFarlin
Hit me up on Twitter to let me know your thoughts @MrJeremyJackson