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Third Party Billing – 581

What is Third Party Billing?

Third Party Billing means a patient comes in to see the AT and the AT sends the bill for payment to the insurance company. It does not mean you are working at a clinic and being paid hourly by the general fund, but you are billing for services as a PT or DC would.

Who is Joe Greene?

Started at the University of Wisconsin Hospital in 1991

Through various roles at the hospital, he was able to quickly move into an administrative role. Coupled with his state leadership roles, He was really able to look at Third Party Billing a make an impact.

2001 Implemented Autonomous Billing in Wisconsin

What is Orthovise?

The company Joe started to work with physicians and continue growing the autonomous billing aspect of Athletic Training.

2016 NATA issued an RFP pilot project to Joe Green and his team as the pioneer in 3rd party billing

What are the goals of the third party reimbursement project?

Ensure ATs receive reimbursement by insurance companies consistent with other allied healthcare providers. If a PT does manual therapy billed at $60/hour, then the AT acting within their scope doing the same task can be reimbursed at $60/hour.

Secure Consistent recognition of Athletic Trainers as allied health care professionals

What has the pilot study revealed?

  • When ATs bill according to the policy they are reimbursed at a consistent level
  • There are some gaps in analysis
  • Are AT as cost-effective?

What Education is going on with this?

Payor (consumer) and Employers (hospitals/physician) are both needing education

ATs need to be able to bill correctly using the correct codes

Third Party Billing

Third Party Billing Resources from Joe

Check out Orthovise.com for a growing list of resources but here are a few:

Third Party Billing – Joe Greene

Third Party Billing – Joe Greene

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Contact us:

Todd Sabol – todd@sportsmediscussion.com

Joe Greene – joegreene@orthovise.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

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100K Side Job – Tim Neal – 578

100K Side Job

Have you ever had a 100K side Job?

If you say “I have a 100k Side Job” you are going to be hounded for followers or ridiculed by haters.

Tim Neal was killing it as an Athletic Trainer making upwards of 200K.

He joins us live a the Dragonfly Max Podcast Lounge in Las Vegas to share his story.

Have reservations about starting a business?

Tim watched his dad run a successful business and kinda always had the drive in him to create his own.

I recently started my own business in the Sports Medicine Broadcast. I have shared my story in episode 552.

I was always afraid to start a business as I have seen how much my dad struggles to own one. My conversation with Rob and Casey helped me to get started on the path, but Innovate really moved me to start

I met Tim Neal in a group for Athletic Trainers who are innovating the industry. If you are innovating or want to innovate, come join us at InnovateAT on facebook

Want to check out the live video:

$100,000 Side Job – Tim Neal

$100,000 Side Job – Tim Neal

Posted by Sports Medicine Broadcast on Tuesday, June 25, 2019

More About Tim:

From a small town Texas – Greenville, Texas

Did not have an AT in high school, his first exposure was as Texas A&M Commerce

Started working contract work for a PT clinic

Figured out he was pretty good at assembling the coverage and care for large scale events.

Got fired for putting together a proposal to grow his employer's business.

He turned the firing into a job that he turned into a business that has turned into a dream.

Contact Us

Tim Neal – Tim.neal@kinetixfsm.com

Jeremy JacksonHost of The Sports Medicine Broadcast

John Ciecko – jciecko@bloomfield.org

Alisha M Penningtonalisha@theatvantage.com

Mike McKenney – m.mckenney@northeastern.edu

Mike Hopper – Mike.Hopper@bishoplynch.org

Clint Sanders – clint@dragonflyathletics.com

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These people LOVE ATs and help the SMB pay the bills:


Frio Hydration – Superior Hydration products.

MioTech – meeting all of your sports medicine supply needs

PhysicalTherapy.com – use promo code “1FREECOURSE” to start for free

DragonflyMax – one-stop EMR

HOIST – no matter your reason for dehydration DRINK HOIST

MedBridge Education – Use “TheSMB” to save some, be entered in a drawing for a second-year free and support the podcast.